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Topic: Loan moves
Posted By: Womble12
Subject: Loan moves
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:52am
Its funny how no one ever leaves TFC.

Players always go out on loan but are never seen again. Has AM dug a new patio in his garden and buried the players that play with a little bit of flair in their game.



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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 1:15pm
Womble you naughty man - trying to stir up things again. Afraid l can't join you in this blantant attempt of yet more negativity against AM as l have seen the light that is true football in past two games - think that's what we played as my memory of this type of football is unable to go back more than 2 years. As to the patio comment again think you are out of order as it's a gross intrusion into the private life of AM - but l have it on good terms it's bloody massive -,hope your proud of me Mystic in support of AM - my new hero


Posted By: Womble12
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 8:11pm
You have got me all wrong Argus.

I also note that fowler is excited by styche, lose my head when I lose the ball, and bee partnership. Is this because styche is best mates with fowlers brother.


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by Womble12 Womble12 wrote:

You have got me all wrong Argus.

I also note that fowler is excited by styche, lose my head when I lose the ball, and bee partnership. Is this because styche is best mates with fowlers brother.

I thought Styche had a very poor game on Tuesday. He looks like red card waiting to happen. Whilst Dyer may not be as skilfull as Styche he always puts a shift in. Styche uses most of his energy holding his arms up if things go wrong.

I now await the firing squad from other Forum users.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 10:02pm
Looking to next season if we want to build for future neither Styche or Dyer would or should be in our plans going forward and hopefully that cement is still wet on the AM patio Wombs and we can dig up Ops and Kai D - young cheap and raw and well worth perasuing with but sadly a trait AM gives a about - all talk about youth but at end of week still shoehorns his favarites like out of form Morley. Remember when we finished a disappointing 17th under Mills in first season down from Conference Sir Bob had a mega serious one on one with him giving ultimatum Youth before age old journey men - comments heard from so many sources is that DIrectors/Sir Bob are not ready for the big step up so chat may never happen this time round - AM happier surrounded by age old favs than talented but raw.



Posted By: Womble12
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 2:03am
The youth team is very good and as you know I am a big fan of youth development.

Ryan Pace was a very good player never given a chance and I fear that they will lose the young goalkeeper as he did very well between the sticks but as soon as bells was available he was dropped like a stone.


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 7:15am
This has been (besides the hoofing of the ball)one of my main gripes about AM, He's had many chances to give those Lads a run out in the seniors,but what does he do?sits them on the bench for 80 mins then expects them to come on and try and win the game after his favorites have failed. I read that he's loaned them out to get 1st team experience,well what's the difference between Stafford,Barwell and us, they'd get more experience playing for us than them,it's time AM showed that he's​ got a pair of goolies,get these two lads back and drop a couple of his has beens and give these lads a run out until the end of the season. These lads including the reserve goalie are our future so get them in now, they've proved they can hack it.


Posted By: tequilatequila
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 8:28am
Originally posted by Highrise bert Highrise bert wrote:

I read that he's loaned them out to get 1st team experience,well what's the difference between Stafford,Barwell and us, they'd get more experience playing for us than them,it's time AM showed that he's got a pair of goolies,get these two lads back and drop a couple of his has beens and give these lads a run out until the end of the season. These lads including the reserve goalie are our future so get them in now, they've proved they can hack it.

I totally agree. I know the playoffs are still mathematically possible for us to reach but I'd like to see some of these youngsters given more game time now that we are coming to the end of the season, and dare I say it, beginning to peter out. 

First of all, I would drop Belshaw (I can't wait for all of you to attack me on this one) and give Jezeph a run of games until the end of the season. Belshaw would be the first to admit that he hasn't reached the standards of previous years, and that's not to say he hasn't been a vital player for us this season, keeping us in numerous matches with his outstanding saves but he's made far too many mistakes. I also can't see Belshaw staying on for next season if we don't reach the playoffs. Surely another team will snap him up, the only obstacle may be his job and that he would probably want to stay with a part-time club. But loaning out the likes of Opoku, Davies etc. yes does give them a bit of first-team experience and introduction to the hussle and bussle of non-league football, but give them a few more opportunities at TFC for this season and we'll determine how effective this system may actually be in the long-term. However, I must also note that we are what, 2 seasons in with the academy structure, so hopefully it will only keep on improving and more than likely sending out these players to clubs such as Stafford, Barwell, Rugby etc.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 8:53am
All managers will say until it's finally mathematically impossible to get into play-offs they will always choose their strongest team - interesting to see how AM plays it when this happens - should be all about building for next season. Does he abandon his football to feat and revert back to the most basic of hoof ball and rest some of the senior players he's not going to keep or even those he will keep but obviously knows their capabilities in favour of youth - surely nothing to lose however whether AM will do this is another matter completely.



Posted By: Mysticpeg
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 10:15am
Whilst I agree that youth has to be given a chance. Have they already not had a chance? The management see way more than what we do on a daily basis when they train. They can see if they are up to the required standard in training and games. I think as much as Belshaw has been poor I wouldn't just drop him. The effect of using youth lads predominantly and young ones you could risk having a season like Hyde did a few years back or a Nuneaton side intent on using academy releases and scraping by each season. Without experienced lads or journeymen as people like to cal them I can only see struggle. Like I always say if someone is good enough no matter their age they will be called upon and used by the management, not simply because some of us cry out for them to be used.


Posted By: Mysticpeg
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 10:30am
I also thought this RB. Though I wouldn't replace Dyer with him and also he still had a hand in both of our first two goals. The thing with Styche is if he concentrated on just playing his game and not worrying about every other decision that goes against him or the team he could be a much better player. At times he can be very good others non existent that's probably why he is where he is as well as the rest of the squad. Having said that have results picked up or down since we bought him in? Would we rather Mills back instead? Who got the better deal? The one thing I think we miss about him is his pace and directness. He was our out ball a lot of the time when we came under pressure as he managed to get us up the pitch.


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 11:02am
First game back for us i thought Styche had turned the corner,and watching him terrorise us in the couple of games he played for the borough without the moans i thought that's it we've got a different Stychey​ back and he's gonna be a big player in helping us get to the play offs,but sadly the negative side of him has returned. He looked completely lost against Kiddy and just waved his arms about as if he was royalty.The young lad Davies who's on loan at Barwell could easily take his place and put up a better performance in my opinion.


Posted By: Mysticpeg
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 4:39pm
Let's see what develops over the next few weeks. I definitely wouldn't have opoku ahead of any of our current strikers at the minute, especially after watching the Telford game. Like you said Styche needs to just concentrate on the things he was doing at the start of his spell here and maybe take a leaf out of Newtons book get his head down and concentrat on playing football.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Mysticpeg Mysticpeg wrote:

Let's see what develops over the next few weeks. I definitely wouldn't have opoku ahead of any of our current strikers at the minute


Jesus Meg don't think anyone has said Opoku is ready and able to take over as one of our main strikers - he is one of our tomorrow players and l thought that's what we our all about now just tell AM that please - and shipping out youngsters is not the answer as Wombs said our poor PATIO performance to date - get back the youngsters now that are on loan in readiness for our over now season and play them and not in camero performances but in a run of games from the start!. but hey waiting for the next excuse for not doing this - it's a bit
unfair on the other teams we play not playing our strongest team - trust me this is a possible


Posted By: Mysticpeg
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 8:03pm
Argus I agree if or when it's mathematically impossible to get into playoffs then we should give younger lads a chance to show what they can do, however like I said previously if they are good enough then they should be available NOW does AM believe they aren't good enough? Non of us knows the answer.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 8:47pm
We will never know Mystic but as they say and certainly under AM tomorrow may never come


Posted By: Shed 1993
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 11:35pm
None of the U21s are first team quality yet alone starting XI. And why are people meaning about Jezeph being dropped when Belshaw is the best keeper in our league and maybe even non-league all together, who gains us at least 10 points per season


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 9:00am
The lad Opoku is definitely first team material,if he had been given a proper run out for a couple of games he would have proved that.He never had the chance.The problem is AM is scared to drop any of his favourite yes men for him.


Posted By: Confusious
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 12:04pm
I agree with she'd partly I don't think any of the 21 s are first team material yet but are comfortable squad players. They are not yet better than the first teasers we have but have potential to be as good if not better. Personally I would not swap our first team players with any of the 21s but would do what am has done , feed them in slowly and when you have a full squad like we have send them out to get some first team game time playing with men and getting them used to the physical side as well as the gamesmanship that goes with it , I believe that if they were ready now they would play now .


Posted By: Confusious
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 12:10pm
I agree with shed partly I don't think any of the 21 s are first team material yet but are comfortable squad players. They are not yet better than the first team players we have but have potential to be as good if not better. Personally I would not swap our first team players with any of the 21s ,but would do what AM has done , feed them in slowly and when you have a full squad ,like we have ,send them out to get some first team game time playing with men and getting them used to the physical side of footballas well as the gamesmanship that goes with it , I believe that if they were ready now they would play now .


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 12:20pm
What's wrong with you lot?The only way to find out if they're ready is to play them,how on earth will you know if they're ready without doing so?


Posted By: Confusious
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 12:54pm
I agree with that that is why they are given anywhere from 25 mins to see as I said they are comfortable squad players but not starters for me


Posted By: Shed 1993
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 2:30pm
Highrise Bert - if we play the u21s for a whole season we will be relegated. It's sad but true, unfortunately these are players released from academies of local clubs who haven't made it professionally, if they aren't starters for the first team by the age of 21 it's highly unlikely they are good enough. Opoku is a natural athlete with pace and power, if we can work with him and the likes of Kai on technical ability then we could see development. The lads need to go out on loan as the standard of u21 opponents is poor to say the least


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 3:48pm
Nobody has said play them for a whole season,This is the time of the season to school them in the first team,especially the two lads we are mentioning,get them in the team,give them a chance to show what they can do in front of there own fans, I'm sure they would excel in front of them.Whats gonna happen next season? I'll tell you what,the same as this season,good young players unable to get in the side because of favouritism.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 5:47pm
+1 - no one said on here Shed play the whole dam U21s or am l missing something. Neither did l say play any of the current U21s - not seen any of them play. Our season is now over and just a bit earlier than the past two under AM - no progress made with current team. IMO both Ops and Kai D have shown sufficent potential to be at least valuable squad players next season but hey still a risk with the pittance of a budget you lot keep moaning on about AM is given - so get them back NOW and give them a run in the team and we ALL be able to see if they can cut it - tell you what bet management aren't bothering to watch their progress first hand - of course really happy to be corrected on that point. You lot on here seem to have forgotten the great goal Ops scored against Halifax when all our recognised strikers failed to turn up - and what did AM do bench him yet again in next when should have been chosen when must have been on a great high!



Posted By: TommyTFC
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 6:37pm
Opoku isn't good enough.  He is already back from his loan, playing for u21s. Don't think Stafford rated him 


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 6:39pm
You got it wrong again Tommy.He didn't rate Stafford.


Posted By: TommyTFC
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 7:18pm
Originally posted by Highrise bert Highrise bert wrote:

You got it wrong again Tommy.He didn't rate Stafford.
Different to what I heard. You believe what you want, I will me. 
From what I have seen, he's not good enough for this level. Was released by Nuneaton too, of course,  


Posted By: Womble12
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 8:18pm
Jamie Vardy wasn't considered to be good enough for Sheffield united. Joe ironside proven goal scorer for this level gone to harriers again released shef Utd.

Surely whilst we are not in a strong position for a he play offs now is time to introduce the u21's. Yes give them 20 mins but when they do very well, better than the player they replaced surely there is an argument for them to start next game. This is the minimum I would expect. Get them back, get big earners shipped out and take the chance what are we losing this season.


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 8:46pm
Originally posted by TommyTFC TommyTFC wrote:

Opoku isn't good enough.  He is already back from his loan, playing for u21s. Don't think Stafford rated him 

I have only seen him a couple of times and he hasn't impressed me at all. Of the two Davies looks a better prospect and could perhaps replace Morley for a game or two as and when a play off position is impossible.



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