Uncertainty about crowds attending
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Printed Date: 29 Sep 2020 at 9:15pm
Topic: Uncertainty about crowds attending
Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Subject: Uncertainty about crowds attending
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 7:28am
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The Isthmian, Northern Premier and Southern leagues are committed to starting the 2020/21 season on 19th September, providing government allows our Clubs to admit spectators. However, we recognise that factors beyond our – or your - control may mean this date is not achievable. To help clubs to forward plan, although our primary objective is to start the Step 3 & 4 playing season on 19th September, contingencies are set out as follows for your information. Proposed Roadmap (subject to change) Scenario 1: Steps 3 & 4 season starts on 19th September, finishes 8th May with Play-Offs the following week. Deadline for decision – Friday 21st August. If it is not possible to start on 19th September, 26th September is FA Trophy so… Scenario 2: Steps 3 & 4 season starts on 3rd October, finishes 15th May with Play-Offs the following week. Deadline for decision – Friday 4th September. If it is not possible to start on 3rd October… Scenario 3: Steps 3 & 4 season starts on 10th October, finishing 15th May. No Play-Offs: top two clubs promoted. Deadline for decision – Friday 11th September. If it is not possible to start on 10th October… Scenario 4: Steps 3 & 4 season starts on 17th October, finishing 15th May. No Play-Offs: top two clubs promoted. Deadline for decision – Friday 18th September. If it is not possible to start on 17th October… Scenario 5: Scenario 5 is subject to club approval via AGM or EGM, FA regulatory approval and will require changes to the NLS Regulations and Standardised Rules, which also require FA Council approval. Deadline for decision – TBC. At this point a full fixture programme is not possible without unreasonable levels of midweek and away travel. So, each Step 3 and 4 division is split into two smaller divisions, every club playing each other home and away to create a ‘half’ season, at the end of which, the split divisions are re-merged. The top five clubs will then play a Champions League style round-robin (ideally home and away) with the top 2 clubs promoted. The lowest-ranked five will play each other, home and away, with the necessary number of clubs (i.e. reflecting withdrawals or resignations) being relegated. Clubs not featuring in Champion or Relegation Play-Offs will be able to enter a voluntary cup competition. See page 4 for illustration of Scenario 5. Scenario 6: If it is not possible to start until January 2021, The Alliance Committee will determine if and how the season will be played out following consultation with the member clubs of the Northern Premier League, Southern Football League and the Isthmian League by the Leagues. Any decision of the Alliance Committee and subsequent changes to the NLS Regulations and Standardised Rules will require the approval of FA Council. It is hoped that we will not need any of these contingencies. It should also be understood that there are no perfect solutions to this problem, and that it is impossible to accurately predict the precise circumstances that will apply at Clubs will be required to approve the relevant rule changes arising, should scenarios 3 – 6 be required, at Leagues’ AGMs or EGM. I will update you again as soon as we have more news. In the meantime, we will continue to pressure DCMS to approve the return of paying fans for the league seasons to start on 19th September, and to confirm any limitations around this that they require." Anthony Hughes Southern Football League Vice-Chairman & FA Representative |
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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 11:58am
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Must have been reading my suggestion in terms of Option 5. 😂 |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 4:25pm
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I don't fully understand the play offs at the end of scenario 5 Is it the top 5 of each re-merged for a top 10 of which two are then promoted? If so, quite why they have explained it so vaguely and in so complicated a manner I can't imagine. Or is it the top 5 across the 2 and if so how do you determine the make up of the 5 (2 from 1 league and 3 from the other?) Oct 3rd seems earliest possible if de Pfeffel sticks to his view at the moment. ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 7:02pm
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Just heard on Talk Sport that the Minister For Sport has tweeted
that below National Leagues North and South crowds WILL be allowed. Obviously we will find out more soon but for a change it seems a bit pf positive news.
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Posted By: Gregorios
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 9:04am
| I presume there will be a limit to the number of people allowed in. Some percentage of the capacity. |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 9:24am
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Doesn't seem absolutely clear at the minute but reasonably encouraging. On a side topic though, the absolute state of that Oliver Dowden...another Oxbridge educated twonk who will have never played football in his life. ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: LukeTFC
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 4:21pm
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22-30 August - 15% capacity 31st August - 30% capacity Means approx 600 at 15% and 1200 at 30% capacity |
Posted By: Gregorios
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 5:11pm
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https://www.isthmian.co.uk/the-return-of-spectators-63172 This would suggest its 30% of 1950 so max would only be around 600 ------------- You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking. |
Posted By: LukeTFC
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 6:05pm
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Well spotted I’m sure the club will have to start to move away from the ticket turnstiles and treat it like FA cup games so book online, over the phone types of situations to avoid some being turned away |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 10:02pm
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Any idea this year roughly how many of us are ST holders? ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 11:08pm
| So invite only, Season ticket holders and VIP members. |
Posted By: LukeTFC
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 6:49am
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Yeah great idea as per Argus, not!!! So by doing that you are not allowing the likes of myself who has been going down for 25 years because I’ve got a 6 month old baby and because of other commitments can’t afford a season ticket or VIP membership and can only pick and choose games Hopefully the football club has more sense than that and actually realises that the club relies on not just its season ticket holders and VIP members |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 8:34am
This was absolutely the point I was going to make. I have a 9 month old and am very lucky to be able to renew my ST. There has to be some allowance for longstanding fans in your situation so I was asking about ST numbers and how many of us there are, incase it's worth temporarily capping it now as it would be difficult to tell a VIP club member or ST holder that they can't come when others can. ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
LukeTFC wrote:Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 9:56am
| So, invite Season Ticket holders and VIPs. Not my suggestion but what l’ve been told is going to happen. A VIP mate was told this yesterday. |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 12:27pm
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How many is that then roughly? ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 12:30pm
| Not sure but they are restricting ST holders to the first 150 only. |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 5:30pm
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Glad I went up the first day in that case but the league and FA must see this is unsustainable for any reasonable period of time mustn't they? ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 5:53pm
We have additional problems with floodlights and serious holes around ground association. Idea l believe is to open ground up more freely for matches after Saturday. However mate, on official web site whilst the comment is up to 150 ST holders, not sure whether it’s the first 150 to join up or the first to turn up on Saturday.
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Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 7:11pm
| Doubt we've sold 150 season tickets. Renewed mine today. Rich Wassall will be on the gate to check ST holders entry with a list of paid-up ST holders. Only one side of the ground open (main stand side) |
Posted By: Hallam99
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2020 at 10:45am
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Can’t wait to get back at it to be honest. Have missed the routine and date I see enjoyment of going down the Lamb! |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2020 at 7:28pm
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Get the defeats out the way pre season. That is the way to do it. ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 4:23pm
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Anyone got any idea how this new announcement works. The 1000 fans pilots from next week are all off for the foreseeable (possibly six months) and I don't see how allowing our level to continue having 600 fits in but I also can't find anything on it. ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: LukeTFC
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 5:44pm
| We are not classed as elite sport so we are ok to continue as we are I believe |
Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2020 at 6:15pm
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I have been searching for information and can't find anything but agree with Pricey I just can't see how clubs at Tamworth's level will be allowed 600 fans while all the leagues above have been told they cannot start having even small crowds from Oct 1st. Then again when did logic come into it, you are allowed 30 people at a funeral but only 15 for a wedding ??
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Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 3:47pm
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Has anyone had problems with the on line ticket purchasing process for Saturdays game. I purchased mine this morning and have an order reference but no e-mailed ticket or confirmation via e-mail yet. I visited the club office this afternoon but nobody was there, I telephoned a short while ago and nobody there to answer the call, emailed this morning and got a response saying they would try and reply within three days!!! And I paid an extra 85p for that service????? Progress???
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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 4:28pm
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I'm not quite sure how the match by match bookings work but for ST holders, our names are purely on a list that gets ticked off on the turnstile as ST books aren't printed yet. I know Rich is running himself ragged at the minute and I've emailed him a few times over lockdown sorting gifts and tickets etc. He usually gets back next day and has been very helpful. It could just be a list for you too rather than a physical ticket as I think having names and contact details primarily helps in terms of track and trace obligations but like I say I'm not sure. ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |
Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 5:12pm
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Thanks Pricey. What you explained makes sense but it isn't what the ticket line web site says. It definitely says that you get an e-ticket to print out or to show at the turnstile to be scanned. |
Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 11:19pm
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Ah, fair do's then. I don't know much about it other than getting in on the ST list reminds me of the school register! ------------- The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots |