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Topic: Restart?
Posted By: Pricey2
Subject: Restart?
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 4:54pm
Pure rumour but no inside knowledge to speak of. The NLP this weekend had interviews with managers from NLN and NLS talking of a mid September restart (12/19th) with crowds likely limited.

Given that the non league game has committed to starting at the same time, we could in theory only be 8/9 weeks away from restarting.

Whenever it is, I can't wait.

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Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 6:43pm
Pricey,
I thought I read somewhere that they were going to allow spectators up to 25% of a grounds capacity.
That would be okay for us with our crowds but not sure if you then have to social distance in the ground. Don’t know how they will do that at The Lamb.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 9:31pm
Again, just rumours but I also saw 30% quoted. I guess you'd have to have some form of ticketing. Something like 30% capacity less the number of ST holders (if clubs get round to selling them) and then that number of tickets would be available.

Plenty of things we could do (mark out 2m on the terraces, mark out 1m for the new 1m+ rule, make face masks mandatory or even adopt the DfE approach and by September that is "there will not be social distancing").

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Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 11:48pm
And it will all be over by Christmas, probably. Never trust a word to come out of that pompous daddies boy.
I really hope all goes well, us Brits possibly more reserved than the yanks, but hey everyone loves a party.
Anyway let’s not make waves, especially second ones


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2020 at 10:37am
Don't worry. I don't believe a word of what comes out of de Pfeffel's mouth but the practicality of the furlough scheme ending means clubs (particularly in the non league levels above us where there are more staff and bigger contracts) will need income before the end of October. It may be safe(r) by then or it may not but the PR disaster of causing a string of football clubs to fold would be worse than when that bellend did a driving test because he'd gone blind in Durham.

For that reason, I am pretty confident that in those weekends between possibly 19 Sept to 24 October we'll see a restart. Some of the discussions since Sunday suggest the Sept dates are optimistic but talk of the new year seems to have died down completely and football at lower levels, with fans, seems nearer than looked possible in April/May.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 9:25pm
Told today Our season starts on 19th September behind close doors for a month thereafter fans will attend. Not seen it confirmed. Anyone heard anything?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2020 at 9:34pm
No, not heard anything.

If I were a club, I would be very reluctant to agree to that. If the situation was to not continue to improve after a month and fans couldn't be allowed in at that point, you have set a precedent of being able to play behind closed doors.

I'd be saying we'll start when fans come. If that means we start in October so be it and if fans aren't allowed in, we won't start. Clubs will lose money hand over fist if there is no grant for behind closed doors fixtures.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 6:28am
Agree. It makes no sense to play any league games behind close doors. It could actually push some clubs to the brink.


Posted By: LukeTFC
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 8:58am
I think there was something on the Southern League website which said it looks as if it would start on 19th with the FA Cup early rounds starting the week before

Come September I think the guidance may change to allow say 25% of capacity with the potential to increase that the following month or two with social distancing of course but you never know what is round the corner but that sounds more logical to gradually allow people in with the potential then of increasing that if there is no spike locally


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 2:52pm
That does sound more sensible. Starting with no crowds is a very bad idea.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 2:56pm
Today's Chronicle has just arrived saying steps 1&2 will be able to start Sep 5th with us starting as Luke said, a fortnight later.

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Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 7:03pm
Sounds good to me.  Will this be with crowds?  The Prem and Championship have proved football without fans is pointless, but it certainly kills the theory that the fans are the most important thing in football.  Money is, but haven't we always known that?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 9:06pm
Yes. As Luke said, I think it might be limited crowds. Maybe 25%, 30% capacity or something and build up from there but in reality that'll mean normal ish gates for most teams in our division.

Behind closed doors games just isn't feasible in non league.

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Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2020 at 11:21pm
Great, can't wait.  I will blow the cobwebs off my railcard and get my cider money ready. A game of football and a pint of cider...  My idea of Heaven :)
A day away from the arrogant red sh.te down here wouldn't go amiss either.


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 12:25pm
Col, I do believe Pricey said he would treat you to your first five pints!!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 3:11pm
I definitely said the first one.

If we sit and have five each in town, we'll be helping social distancing at the Lamb by not being able to find the turnstile!!

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 5:50pm
The last pint I had was in the clubhouse last time I was down there, in March I think, so the chances of me drinking 5 pints and still being able to stand up, never mind see the game,  are remote.
Doubt we will be able to get in the Peel in any case.  With social distancing I think their limit might be about 10 customers :(



Posted By: LukeTFC
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 7:38pm
Not been in the town centre for a while but I’d assume the peel would have applied to have one of those pavement licences to have more seats out the front

Come September and October a lot of things will change, just look at the quarantining with Spain just announced


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2020 at 11:02pm
There is a lot of things that could go wrong between now and then but I stand by my view that football with crowds in some form will come before the end of furlough due to bad publicity of clubs going bust

Surrey play Middlesex in a friendly at the Oval tomorrow and Monday. 500 fans in tomorrow, 1,000 in on Monday.

They all have to provide contact details so I understand it and any cases monitored etc etc.

Now I accept those numbers are tiny and the Oval is absolutely massive but attempting this in July suggests that come Sept/Oct, things will look different.

I do feel for the clubs who can't really get any season ticket money in because they can't guarantee when fans will be allowed in.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Gregorios
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 10:24am
Well it would appear we are starting to sell season tickets them very soon.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2020 at 12:00pm
Certainly good news. I'm not fussed about paying it but a token gesture towards last year's ST holders (maybe 10% off) as a reward for loyalty and for the 3 stubs we couldn't use last year would've been nice.

It's not a deal-breaker for me, it's my day out and it was in no way the club's fault we couldn't play from March on but those who paid full price for an ST last year and saw the 18 games paid slightly more per game than someone who paid their £12 on the door 18 times which seems a bit harsh.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 8:53pm
Does this look like going back a couple of weeks now?

National League have stated they can't start till October 3rd now due to govt guidance and with de Pfeffel waffling on today about "putting the handbrake on" (no nor me), it would seem like October before fans can attend.

The pilot at Goodwood races and the crucible snooker with limited crowds have both been scrapped so rather than coming forward, dates look more like going back if anything.

With that being the case, I'd be tempted to push back some of the pre-season friendlies if possible, otherwise the lads could have played 2 solid months before kicking off competitively.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Hallam99
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 10:25pm
There’s some sort of crowd at the snooker it seems


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 8:39am
There was yesterday but I think de Pfeffel's announcement cancels it as of today.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 8:40am
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-53599464&ved=2ahUKEwj5kMm7u_nqAhX3aRUIHQlHBbAQFjANegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw11Lg0SsfFbnR5HXXX1oJVG&cf=1

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 8:41am
If that link won't open, it's basically that yesterday's crowds at the crucible are the last ones for this tournament.

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Posted By: Hallam99
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:54am
Wow. Didn’t realise .have to admit I rarely read the news anymore!


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 2:12pm
Can’t see the Government making the same mistake twice (although its seems common practice nowadays). Pushes back likely hood of crowds attending any sporting event for months at least in the current C19 climate.           


Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 2:26pm
No point in ordering a season ticket then. Think the coming season will be null and void very quickly.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 3:16pm
Originally posted by Coleshill Lamb Coleshill Lamb wrote:

No point in ordering a season ticket then. Think the coming season will be null and void very quickly.

On basis no crowds means no football at our level future looks bleaker than it did a few days back. Suggested a few months back that if we were to start the season post December possible way forward was to divide our league into 2 separate groups on a regional basis with Champions of each going up. It has the merits of each team at least playing each other both home and away. Massive downside is that gate receipts will of course be halved. Not sure that this would be financially viable for the clubs though, although it would certainly be a practical way to complete a season of sorts. Assume contracts sorted and signed off will be on basis of a full season. Not sure this could be squared with my suggestion also unless clauses have already been included. What a mess this is turning into for a second season!


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 3:54pm
I think in view of the uncertainty I might delay purchasing my season ticket this season until things become clearer.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 3:54pm
I'll stand by my thought that we'll get back before the furlough scheme ends. The last few weeks have been one long pr exercise and that'll be the key in getting us back. Scheme ends the end of October.

Yesterday summed it up for me. The govt have kept bowling alleys, casinos and health spas shut due to the rise in cases. These places have been shut since March so are the only places we can be certain are not responsible for the rise in virus cases.

I don't think it takes Poirot and Einstein to think that you might be more likely to contract it in the pub where loads of households are spending extended periods of time indoors together, sitting down without face coverings because they are exempt from the restrictions...but are pubs closing? Nope, not even in the towns that are under the notional "local lockdowns" where two households can't socialise in a house. Forty households can socialise in the same room down the road without wearing face coverings as long as that room sells alcohol.

It's an absolute nonsense and this will dictate football coming back. They will be very keen not to be seen to push clubs over the edge and also very very keen not to extend the furlough scheme.

If figures allow, we'll be back before the end of October. If the figures don't fit, I wouldn't mind having a stab we'll be brought back anyhow.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

I'll stand by my thought that we'll get back before the furlough scheme ends. The last few weeks have been one long pr exercise and that'll be the key in getting us back. Scheme ends the end of October.

Yesterday summed it up for me. The govt have kept bowling alleys, casinos and health spas shut due to the rise in cases. These places have been shut since March so are the only places we can be certain are not responsible for the rise in virus cases.

I don't think it takes Poirot and Einstein to think that you might be more likely to contract it in the pub where loads of households are spending extended periods of time indoors together, sitting down without face coverings because they are exempt from the restrictions...but are pubs closing? Nope, not even in the towns that are under the notional "local lockdowns" where two households can't socialise in a house. Forty households can socialise in the same room down the road without wearing face coverings as long as that room sells alcohol.

It's an absolute nonsense and this will dictate football coming back. They will be very keen not to be seen to push clubs over the edge and also very very keen not to extend the furlough scheme.

If figures allow, we'll be back before the end of October. If the figures don't fit, I wouldn't mind having a stab we'll be brought back anyhow.
Unfortunately (and politics aside ) economics  would have always  drawn us out of C19 miles to early. Stop start Lock down is what we have and unfortunately we as a club at our level is not anywhere a priority. Premiership football on TV is just fine for the majority of football fans who don’t even know Non-League is out there. Problem we haven’t got anyone fighting our fight in the Westminster bubble. FA don’t care a , and our League Committee have proved their inadequate behaviour.





Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:08pm
Politics aside, the economy will be affected far worse if we have to keep dipping in and out of lockdowns for months on end.



The premier league exacerbated the problem for clubs at our level by not making a decision for in excess of two months. There was absolutely no way our clubs could have survived hanging on that uncertainty. I know you don't like the southern League decision but they had to make one and with the uncertainty above us regards what those leagues would have accepted, I think they made the only decision they could have.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 9:26pm
The leagues should have come together and made a decision top to bottom as I said at the time. Once the EFL said they would wait for the prem and the national League said they would wait for the EFL and the prem said we'll make a decision in...x weeks/months I think the SL were left with no option. They certainly couldn't promote anybody without the leagues above confirming they'd accept them, which they wouldn't as they were waiting on leagues above them and there may have been nowhere to go.

An unenviable position they should never have been put in but they made the only decision left open to them realistically. Couldn't have kept extending player contracts at our level indefinitely incase of playoffs etc and the testing regime would have broke most of the clubs.

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