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Topic: Suggestion
Posted By: Pricey2
Subject: Suggestion
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 12:07pm
Not mine, I nicked it but I quite like it.

So that this season isn't totally wasted, next season clubs at our level start with a number of points allocated in descending order based on this year's PPG finishing position. Tfc as the top club get 22, Royston 21, Pboro 20 etc down to Redditch with 1.

If the start is delayed and we play half a season (each team just once) as circumstances of a delayed start might dictate, you half the points, tfc 11, Royston 10.5:etc etc.

It means the successful get some recognition but even Redditch only start 3pts (or maybe 1.5) from safety so not competitively ruinous.

I thought it a reasonable compromise so that this season counts at least for something.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 2:45pm
What about, depending on WHEN the season actually starts just carrying on and finishing this season. If we have a little more time say the season starts in December, divide each league into 2, north and south say, with the winner going up, no play-offs, ditching local cup competitions and even  the Trophy depending on how much time we have to complete the season. At least all the teams will play each other home and away. Both ideas based on not being able to complete next season fully 🤔 


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 3:54pm
I don't dislike the idea of chopping the league up smaller like you say. I just think the idea above allows some recognition that we did better than Redditch who would be in our section on level points in that scenario.

I think it:s good that some creativity is being shown because behind closed doors just isn't remotely feasible at this level so some alternatives are welcome.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

I don't dislike the idea of chopping the league up smaller like you say. I just think the idea above allows some recognition that we did better than Redditch who would be in our section on points.

All about self-interest I’m afraid. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas. Teams disadvantaged in the final league table won’t vote for and will lobby against anything that sees them worse off. Given when the whistle starts they can’t really argue against finishing off current season that’s been voided or if we have a half season left when we start, playing a league divided up, playing home and away, less arguments and much simplerThumbs Up



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 9:49pm
You absolutely have no chance of getting clubs to resume a season that has been officially null and voided. By null and voiding, the one solution you have completely ruled out is that.

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Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 08 May 2020 at 2:53pm
Unfortunately Pricey is correct. The FA wouldn’t consider changing their minds. They only have eyes for the Premiership and are terrified of losing them. They will dictate their own future and the FA will comply. It’s all about the money not the football.


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 3:54pm
Imagine trying to organise “social distancing” down the Lamb.
Any solution requires virtually no Covid cases amongst the population.
Does anyone know the R value for Tamworth?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 12:41am
So League 2 is abandoned and rumours of no relegation even though the play offs could still be played.

The national league will probably still get away with promoting one club (Barrow) due to Bury's disappearance last summer.

In fairness to them, the Southern League may have called this right 6/7 weeks ago. There's no point doing PPG if there's nowhere for clubs to go and that looks the scenario now.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

So League 2 is abandoned and rumours of no relegation even though the play offs could still be played.

The national league will probably still get away with promoting one club (Barrow) due to Bury's disappearance last summer.

In fairness to them, the Southern League may have called this right 6/7 weeks ago. There's no point doing PPG if there's nowhere for clubs to go and that looks the scenario now.

If our League Committee adopted the same as League 2 we would have been playing in National League North. Just saying. What’s wrong with increasing club league numbers above for a season anyway, and increasing relegation in the next. There are clubs out there below us who have already gained promotion in terms of no one can mathematically catch them , where’s the fairness in that!



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 7:02pm
Argus,

Only national north could've made the decision to allow us in. The southern League couldn't promote us without their permission could they? The national north took the decision not to relegate so we wouldn't have been going up but we'd have won the league on ppg...for absolutely no reason.


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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 7:05pm
I think you have a point about increased club numbers for a year - I would have been in favour but your point about our league committee is nonsense. They don't run the national League so can't compel them to take teams.

On reflection, as unpopular as it was, I think they took a very difficult and imperfect decision in a timely fashion that gave clubs some certainty. The leagues above us and in Scotland have been an absolute shambles.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by Pricey2your point about our league committee is nonsense [/QUOTE Pricey2your point about our league committee is nonsense [/QUOTE wrote:


Not true Mate. They made the decision to void s

Not true Mate. They made the decision to void season well before ALL the Leagues above them. Before that you were advocating or at least suggesting our League should or would wait for the Leagues above us to make the decision on the way forward and us lower Leagues follow?


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 18 May 2020 at 10:43pm
Football is off the table below the elite level for the foreseeable future. Coronavirus will flourish over the winter without a vaccine.
The AIDS epidemic has been waiting 40 years for one.
“Normal life” will possibly never return. No one wants to admit the possibility that “social distancing” and all it involves, will be a requirement for anyone who wants to avoid being caught up in the contagion.
Having watched the behind closed doors Bundesliga games, can’t see football generating the same excitement, without the crowd!


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 7:09am
Originally posted by etontaxdodger etontaxdodger wrote:

Football is off the table below the elite level for the foreseeable future. Coronavirus will flourish over the winter without a vaccine.
The AIDS epidemic has been waiting 40 years for one.
“Normal life” will possibly never return. No one wants to admit the possibility that “social distancing” and all it involves, will be a requirement for anyone who wants to avoid being caught up in the contagion.
Having watched the behind closed doors Bundesliga games, can’t see football generating the same excitement, without the crowd!

Absolutely agree.



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 8:39am
I do absolutely think they should have waited and it been ended the same top to bottom. That is the only logical solution to me but the leagues above us didn't even cancel their seasons till last week and some are still intending to try to get play offs in.

For clubs at our level, keeping players on in case of play offs in June/July would be financially absurd as would playing behind closed doors so a decision had to be made earlier (it absolutely had to be made before April 30th due to contracts). With leagues above working to a totally different time table (It seems possible for example that the Premier League will still be playing last season on the 8th August when next season was due to start!), the SL were backed into a corner and so, made a decision.

It wasn't a perfect one (I would have waited till late April but in hindsight, that would have been utterly pointless too as the leagues above us are not sorted even now) but to suggest they could have promoted us without the say so of the national League (which wasn't coming as they still haven't finalised their arrangements as we approach the end of may) is nonsense. Surely you accept that?

The EFL can't promote Leeds and vhe Albion without the say so of the prem as they don't control the pl.



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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 10:49am
My point is a simple one, our League closed all its options in voiding the season before knowing what the Leagues above were going to do. The fact those above have still not decided is irrelevant to this argument. 


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 11:54am
What I was saying is that your statement that if the SL had ended the season on ppg we'd be in the national League north now is nonsense. No we wouldn't. The southern League couldn't impose us on them.

People can argue whether the sl's decision was right or wrong. What you can't argue is we would have been promoted by now. That is just plainly weong.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

That is just plainly weong.

So you don’t even agree that it’s wrongWinkWacko


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 8:34pm
I don't understand what you're on about and your habit of quoting a sentence out of context is weird.

I think all the leagues should have been uniform top to bottom and I think we agree on that. They haven't been so saying the Southern League could've promoted us isn't true.

They could have declared us champions, they could have given us a trophy but they couldn't have promoted us. That seems to be where we disagree. They might have waited till May, June, July, Christmas, next Easter and any of those things might have been a solution but until the national League said "yes we're accepting promoted clubs" they didn't have any opportunity to do anything else

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 8:38pm
The big issue facing us now is financial. Early bird season tickets would be popping up now, pre season friendlies would be being planned etc etc but none of that can go on until we know when supporters can be admitted to grounds.

This will start to bite a lot of clubs fairly sharpish sadly.

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Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 9:13pm
Do you honestly see the Lamb being opened up with “social distancing” in place? I wonder how many would be prepared to risk it?
I do not intend risking contagion and possible death, so I can watch a football match!
There may never be a solution that allows events like supported football matches to be attended safely. How many regulars consider themselves vulnerable I wonder?
There are positives to be found in this Pandemic. Sadly the prospect of watching live football again, doesn’t fill me with enthusiasm


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 22 May 2020 at 6:56am
l wouldn’t risk it, even when Government gives green light to supporters returning to watch football once again. Would give extra time to see how and what happens to 19 cases as a result of fans returning to watch football. Would have expected many to follow my approach, however look at Planters Garden Centre  when they reopened last week, expected many to have stayed away on premise if it wasn’t safe on Tuesday to visit the place, what was different one day later. They had to close the car park and turn people away. Sea side resorts another example, packed packed packed. Think will see a mass return from day one of fans when green light given. I’m certainly not!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 22 May 2020 at 7:24pm
I certainly think it is too early at the moment. However I will be back like a shot when we are allowed. I'm expected to spend six and a half hours a day indoors with no PPE with (the government wants) 15 kids (we're limiting it to ten) every day from 1st June so I will take my chances stood outside for a couple of hours.

Health is far more important than football and now is way too soon but when we do get a chance I won"t hesitate.

In the meantime I really hope that the financial help comes to support clubs or our leagues could be decimated through no fault of anyone's and while that is nowhere near as horrific as the death toll, it will be a horrible consequence of this.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 22 May 2020 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

I certainly think it is too early at the moment. However I will be back like a shot when we are allowed.

What’s the definition of being allowed? For me there’s going to be a decision made which will be based on Economics against potential death equation. Leave it a few more weeks, less people will die but get back that sooner more will. Just like so many being forced back into work currently especially teachers.



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 22 May 2020 at 8:28pm
My definition of being allowed would be when the authorities say we can reopen to supporters. I can't see any football at our level prior to that due to finances. It wouldn't be soon for me. I can't possibly see the season beginning in August but exactly when is a decision above my head. I assumed it would be after social distancing had stopped but when primary schools told govt we couldn't do social distancing, we were told that was ok and still to open up as long as we did our best.

Germany with s larger population and far more land borders have shown we could have done a lot lot better with the virus. I imagine they will be the model we follow for football as all their Regionalligas will be in a similar position to our lower leagues in terms of there being no point playing behind closed doors.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

What I was saying is that your statement that if the SL had ended the season on ppg we'd be in the national League north now is nonsense. No we wouldn't. The southern League couldn't impose us on them.

That is just plainly weong.

Once again l will try to make my point. If we were playing a game of Poker, would you show your hand and give the game away (excuse pun) at the first hand. Give up and leave the table in a fit because how much harder it could be for the SL if they continued or be bothered about the second hand to come. Why trouble themselves! Third hand which still can’t be ruled out, the National League above us ask /impose we take relegation teams from their League. Doubt it will happen however as we have left the Poker Table we haven’t a cats chance in hell of them actually taking PPG teams from our League in exchange. We have come down so far, we are being ruled over by a League Committee absolutely full of Censored




Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:46pm
You are perfectly entitled to think the decision was wrong. Perfectly entitled to say they acted too quickly. As stated way back in March, the only way to resolve this in a logical fashion was for the Premier League and subsequently every league below to take exactly the same course of action. Due to the lure of TV money, the upper echelons are taking a path unavailable to the rest and the season looks likely to still be being played in August. That has put lower divisions in an invidious position and clubs in the middle (below Prem and above step 3) completely in limbo. It has been an absolute farce.

What I was saying was wrong and still is, is your assertion that if the SL had taken the PPG decision, we would be in national league north. No, we wouldn't. That would still have required the national League to allow us in. They may or may not have but your assertion was wrong and still is. Their league, having decided to take a vote which decided on no relegation would have had to overrule their clubs for it to happen. For my money, allowing clubs to vote was ridiculous anyway as has been proven at every level by every single club voting totally understandably and predictably, completely in line with self interest.




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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

So League 2 is abandoned and rumours of no relegation even though the play offs could still be played.

The national league will probably still get away with promoting one club (Barrow) due to Bury's disappearance last summer.

In fairness to them, the Southern League may have called this right 6/7 weeks ago. There's no point doing PPG if there's nowhere for clubs to go and that looks the scenario now.


If our League Committee adopted the same as League 2 we would have been playing in National League North. Just saying. What’s wrong with increasing club league numbers above for a season anyway, and increasing relegation in the next. There are clubs out there below us who have already gained promotion in terms of no one can mathematically catch them , where’s the fairness in that!





This was what I said was wrong, where you wrote "if our league committee adopted the same as league 2, we would have been playing in national league north".

You didn't write anything about it being a game of poker or a negotiation etc etc which would have been valid points, you just stated it as a fact and I pointed out it wasn't a fact at all. Some of your other arguments certainly have merit but I can't see you why you can't accept that what you said as a pretext was wrong.

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