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Behind closed doors.

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Printed Date: 18 Sep 2020 at 11:39am


Topic: Behind closed doors.
Posted By: Pricey2
Subject: Behind closed doors.
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2020 at 8:16am
It now looks increasingly likely that over the coming weeks, the first football to be played will be behind closed doors. If you are in the PL or the championship where TV money is the main (in the case of PL) or a significant (in the case of the champ) source of your income then I can see the appeal of moving the season to a conclusion or even restarting next season behind closed doors if behind closed doors was still the situation come August/September.

In the case of clubs like us, is there any point whatsoever to football behind closed doors? The income stream other than sponsors, who may have difficult financial situations of their own thanks to the virus would be absolutely zero and the entire squad and management would have to be "unfurloughed" so costs would increase hugely.

Can you see a situation where clubs at our level would decide not playing at all is preferable to taking part in the transition period where sport is staged without spectators?

Also, if the govt permitted sport without crowds (as seems an inevitable first step), would this invalidate the furlough scheme clubs like us have enrolled in on account of our staff now being able to go to work?

There are some huge issues for the game to iron out before life gets back to normal. I can't see any way we get through without losing a lot of teams at our level if the FA and the PL don't dig very deep.


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Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2020 at 7:19pm
Behind closed football may work for some clubs. Premier League teams obviously. At our level many clubs show highlights through YouTube. Maybe clubs could stream live matches on a subscription basis during the lockdown. The logistics would be everything, delivering content to a viable audience. How much would people pay?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2020 at 12:39am
I've been a season ticket holder for a decade and watched regularly prior to that and I wouldn't be prepared to pay to watch us on YouTube so I can't conceive of us being able to cobble together a viable audience.

How much would you pay?

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Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2020 at 4:39pm
If the quality was better than the highlights, maybe £5 tops. Only if though, the volunteers do a great job with the highlights, not sure I could watch a full 90+ minutes. Any other ideas for fundraising welcome?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2020 at 5:39pm
Yeah, I wasn't knocking the lads who do LambsvTV. Not many clubs at our level can boast that sort of provision at all so no slight on them but I wouldn't want to part with a subscription that cost money. My direct debit will continue to go to Team builder but nothing beyond that at the minute.

Need to keep my funds back for betting on the Belarus league (I haven't bet on it but yes they have played on all the way through!)

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 10:41am
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thenational.ae/sport/football/66-players-out-of-contract-why-the-premier-league-could-vote-for-a-june-30-finish-1.1006850

And there is the issue, even for PL clubs. It may be possible to sort something for their players short term but it is unlikely to be replicated down in L1/L2 and if the leagues end up concluding on different formulae from one another then it creates another problem in itself.

Football will be able to resume behind closed doors at some point in the medium term future but with Euro 2021 plonked in the summer, next season must finish on time or you risk some international players playing through this summer, next season, another full summer before starting 21/22 in a right state.

This will bring about a player welfare issue on top of this financial disaster. As unpalatable as it seems, they might have been better taking the plunge and finishing themselves even if null and void.

They could still vote to cheer up the nation and relegate villa on the grounds of Jack Grealish being king knobhead of the lockdown.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 8:26pm
Pricey I have missed something along the way. Your love for the “Villains” is obvious, does this have some kind of Peaky Blinders connection? Starting to get a little stir crazy by the way!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2020 at 8:39pm
If you've ever met a villa fan, you'll get it. I don't know if you have to pass a moron test to get into villa park or if going through the turnstile instils it in you but by Christ they have more than their share don't they?

David Cameron, Prince William....need I go on?

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 10:20pm
See your point! Once worked with a rabid villa fan who spent his shift singing about “no surrender to the IRA”. This was long after the peace had broken out!
Thought Cameron was a West Ham fan! Or was it Villa. Perhaps it was Burnley?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 8:24am
David Cameron is absolutely a villa fan. Whether he ran round the playing fields of Eton pretending to be Dennis Mortimer I can't confirm.

I suspect his choice, like with Prince William was to pick a club who were big enough for people to have heard of but small and irrelevant enough that outside the west midlands, not cared about by most. If you are an Everton/Liverpool, City/United, Arsenal/spurs fan etc there are a large number of fans who dislike you.

Unless you live in the west midlands, you don't really care about villa. Col sees them as a similar club to Stoke, Watford, Palace etc who lucked out in 82:and won half as many European cups as Nottingham Forest.

For most of the country who don't suffer like us with real life Villa fans telling us how massive they are and getting arsey when you ask, "really? Why did you shut part of the ground when you were in the championship then?", they aren't really an issue.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 9:03am
On topics more relevant to non league, the Yeovil chairman Scott Priestnall says in this week's NLP (great read by the way) that he doesn't think they should be voting on solutions for the season so won't be using his and says he thinks they should follow whatever pans out from the top of the game.

Have to say I agree with him in that clubs being promoted or relegated in an ideal world, should've been uniform from top to bottom but unless the NL clubs have pots of money, paying players past the end of contracts (there will be quite a few) with no gate income seems extremely unwise. The PL and maybe the championship could perhaps do it through TV money but certainly no one else for behind closed doors fixtures.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 12:20pm
So the national League have ended their season.

Vote now opened to conclude by May 7th on the resolution. Options appear to be PPG straight or PPG (based on home PPG and away PPG allocated proportionately to benefit teams who had more home games left unplayed) or null and void.

If either of the PPG options are exercised then the next vote will be on whether to keep the play offs and play them behind closed doors later or to leave table as is.

If they choose to nominate sides for promotion, they will nominate Barrow first (to replace Bury) and then a second one (play off winners or the second placed team) if the EFL agree to relegate Stevenage.



Really simple and clear then in summary.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 1:55pm
We need a football Tsar to make a definitive decision! Cameron doing nothing currently!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 10:47pm
Can anyone realistically see any non league football starting before mass gatherings are allowed? I have to say I can't.

PL will and the EFL might, either entirely (or just the championship) but I just don't see it for non league as being remotely financially viable. I also can't see how clubs will have any funds to make any signings until season ticket sales commence and I don't see how they can be sold until a date for starting is decided upon.

I had sort of assumed that by Aug/Sep we would be back but after yesterday's presser where Chris Whitty said social distancing could last the full calendar year, I can't see anything less urgent to reopen than football grounds where people gather shoulder to shoulder for a couple of hours (especially in the colder months when literally everyone gets undercover).

Schools will be open, and so will shops but sporting venues (to spectators), theatres, cinemas and gig venues are going to be right at the back of the queue I think.

I also think if the EFL starts behind closed doors and non league can't get going or even if PL and the champ start without L1 and L2 in tow, it causes huge problems in terms of promotion and relegation throughout the pyramid.

The financial side is a well foreseen problem and is a huge one but I feel like no one is fully appreciating the administrative issues this causes. If football has a staggered start by more than a month or so, I don't know how that gap gets bridged.

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