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Printed Date: 30 May 2020 at 10:09am


Topic: Tamworth FC needs our help
Posted By: Bof
Subject: Tamworth FC needs our help
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 9:20pm
Please visit site.

http://www.thelambs.co.uk/news/tamworth's-response-to-fa-and-league-decision-8524.htm



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Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 12:37am
Signed it.


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 8:55am
me too but was surprised that not many teams in our league had signed the letter to the F.A.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 9:46am
I truly thought they would wait until the prem decides what it is doing. If we don't decide the same as the prem then somewhere in the pyramid there is a bottle neck (or if they went promotion only) a shortage of teams.

With the likelihood of teams going bump, I don't envy the league compilers next season, whenever that starts.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 4:59pm
Signed the petition, can’t help thinking that whatever the final solution, many clubs may think they have a legal case,if they feel the shakeout is not favourable. The Lawyers will be rubbing their grubby mitts!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 6:47am
So it looks like this is getting looked into with an FA hearing now. With the PL clinging on to the season at all costs and seemingly prepared to go on as late as necessary, this argument at least won't go away.

Don't know how I feel really. Finishing behind closed doors, even if it ultimately meant promotion for us, would leave me feeling pretty empty.

I certainly can't see a way that this season gets concluded (at any level) without next season having to be put back, which with the euros now in 2021, I can't see them wanting.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 2:10pm
There are so many conflicting interests that it will be almost impossible to find a solution that pleases all.
FIFA, UEFA, Premier League, EFL, FA, Sky, BT and the non-league clubs like us, Sponsors etc. throw in the uncertainty and additional costs caused by Coronavirus and you have a nightmare scenario that cannot be resolved without major upset.
I’m glad that I am not involved in trying to sort it out but fingers crossed the solution involves TFC being promoted.



Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 3:48pm
On reflection I agree that Tamworth deserve to be champions based on games played. I can’t see how we boil down 13-14 unplayed games into a usable format that can be fitted in. SARS/Covid 2 is an unknown entity that none of us has encountered. How soon will it be safe to leave the kennel?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 7:54pm
For me, I am sort of accepting of the season being voided. If we end up going up via ppg or behind closed doors, it just won't provide that buzz, that moment that we all go to football for.

We will be unlucky but not on a Lpool 25pts clear scale. We were 2 points clear of Royston with a tough run in and plenty of aways to come. We could have won it but were miles off a certainty.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 1:14pm
That’s the main point there Pricey, there are NO certainties, only death and taxes as pointed out by a myriad of personalities. Really missing the “buzz” but medicals passing on leaves it in perspective. Bless em all!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 1:21pm
Oh Christ yeah, I'm in no hurry to get back, be that weeks, months whatever but I just hope we don't have some weird contrived finish (ppg or behind closed doors). That's worse than null and void for me, even if that denies us promotion.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: tfcfan1
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 2:26pm
You’d rather the season voided than we go up on PPG? I’d have to be in the opposite camp, given the relatively few matches left to play. Not certainties to go up granted and you can imagine how P’Boro Sports (first as it stands) would react if they were booted down to third. I just don’t fancy another season whenever it might be at Step 3!


Posted By: The dosthill lamb
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 2:47pm
Have to say i agree with you tfcfan1 and not just because on a ppg basis we would go up alongside Royston i would guess. but because those are the 2 sides that deserve to go up based on the season played thus far. Had we only played a quarter of the season rather than 3/4 i could understand the decision to null and void. There are other teams who are harder done to than ourselves of course,either having already secured "promotion" or as near to certain would have. .As Smudge i think said, the decision taken seems to reward failure rather than the opposite. Rather fancy though that the appeal will account to nothing. Be interesting to see if the scousers will be denied the premiership title! Much as i hate them they deserve to win it but will be farcical if different rules are applied to the "big boys". Whatever anyone's opinion have to say life is more important at this moment in time 


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 3:47pm
Dosthill Lamb wrote :-
 Be interesting to see if the scousers will be denied the premiership title! Much as i hate them they deserve to win it but will be farcical if different rules are applied to the "big boys". Whatever anyone's opinion have to say life is more important at this moment in time”.

I’m not sure that Colbefc would agree with you Dosthill Lamb and he may miss you out when he passes his Everton mints around on his next visitSmile


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 4:16pm
What I'm saying is that the whole point of football for me is the excitement and the enjoyment of the great moments so a promotion that was achieved via a fax from the Southern League in June wouldn't really achieve that for me.

It would be a real empty feeling. The '09 final day celebration at Telford was amazing. Given the events of the last few weeks, ppg would just be a bit hollow. I'd sooner win it on merit whenever we restart.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: The dosthill lamb
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:18pm
Col must run out of Everton mints before i get to the games Red Blooded! He does share a similar dislike of the "other lot" on Merseyside mind you so he's more than ok in my book!


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 5:52pm
Just a little off topic! Those bloody Europeans are at it again! The Belgian government have offered the Health staff fighting on the frontline of the Corona virus outbreak 1400 euros as a thank you. Thank goodness we are leaving them to it🧐


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 9:11am
Solicitors involved now then according to club site.

Given my experience of them - days to answer the phone, weeks to send a letter, months to answer a query, this should all be sorted and we'll be raring to go for the 2023/24 season.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 3:12pm
If they do change their decision to scrap the session which I do agree is the wrong decision. Imagine how Liverpool would take that. The other suggestion is PPG which is the fairest way to end and still have promotion and relegation throughout the leagues.


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 3:14pm
Forgot. PPG would put Tamworth in top position. Not that PPG swayed my thinking


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 4:30pm
This is going to cause a real issue around season ticket dates and prices isn't it?


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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 5:04pm
Big problem they don’t know when they can start the new season. Last problem is season tickets. Can only deal with one problem at a time at the moment. They can have different scenarios but until we get back to normal life no sensible decision can be made unless end season and PPG.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 5:40pm
No I totally agree but what I'm saying is you usually have end of April to start of August to get pre season fixtures sorted and sell season tickets.

With the country in lockdown, you can't really sell season tickets can you? Given this is a large chunk of cash towards the budget, we could have serious problems in cash flow terms exacerbated by early bird season ticket sales not happening at all.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2020 at 6:03pm
And I don't specifically mean TFC, I mean the game generally and particularly in non league.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 7:08am
True. They could end up delaying the start of the season and maybe splitting each league in 2 to enable games to be played within a restricted time. Then having playoffs for promotion and relegation. The only other is start late and finish late.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 4:52pm
The top of the game will not want next season running late with Euro 2021 now scheduled. Much quarrelling ahead I think.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2020 at 6:51pm
And we think we’ve got it bad. Just wait until they start throwing their toys out of the pram.
Stay Safe. 👍


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:52am
So, the national League recommend clubs abandon the season with a vote to follow next week on how league placings are decided.
This is all descending into a mess isn't it? The voting idea is a dicey one as clubs will clearly vote out of self interest. Those who can go up will vote ppg, those who can go down will vote n&v and the other teams will look at the relative strengths of sides potentially leaving/arriving/staying in the league and essentially vote out of self interest too.

I think it's a decision the FA should make and impose top to bottom of the pyramid.


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Posted By: The dosthill lamb
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 10:29am
Quite right Pricey. There should not be 1 rule for the "big boys" and another for us "lesser" clubs but as i said in an earlier post i rather fancy that is exactly what will happen. I just hope that our players see the injustice for all their hard work, decide to stick together,and with a few quality additions we smash this tin pot sh---y league we are in next season


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 12:27pm
The whole thing is a farce. Correct it must be a decision across the whole of the pyramid system. Liverpool won’t be happy


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 1:01pm
It seems that the decision on making the season null and void has been ratified by The FA Council.
Wonder if any clubs will set up a legal challenge?


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 2:46pm
I'd hope we wouldn't be daft enough. It was suggested, we grouped together with clubs to send a legal letter, it was voted on and ratified.

As there is no official catastrophe policy (i.e. what happens when the league can't finish as opposed to the fairly well established practice of expunging results when one team drops out e.g. Chester a few years back) in any league's rules, you wouldn't legally be challenging a rule breach (relatively easy to prove/disprove) where they hadn't implemented their own rules correctly so I don't know on what basis you'd legally challenge it on.

They've not done anything criminal so I can't see on what basis any court could find against the league and then what recompense clubs would be given.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Bof
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 7:11pm
A firm of solicitors had already been instructed to act on behalf of clubs before the FA’s ratified their decision. You can read it here

http://www.thelambs.co.uk/news/solicitors-act-on-behalf-of-clubs-8529.htm


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 7:27pm
Yes I know and the league subsequent to receiving the letter, convened a meeting and ratified it.

I truly feel sympathy for all involved in this but lobbing money (and time) at solicitors when all clubs will take a financial hit from the virus anyway, seems madness, especially as I can't see any way a league is going to be found to have breached it's own non-existent rules.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 8:27pm
Lawyers, Bankers, Estate Agents all profit from other people’s misfortune. Covid and it’s problems will be around until an effective vaccine has been administered to 60% of the world population. The last pandemic had a second and third wave, with increasing mortality. Football proper may not be back until 2022, unless governments are prepared to gamble with lives.
I think the clubs have to take it on the chin and start again, without lining the pockets of the Lawyers.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2020 at 9:00pm
Christ on a bike I hope it's not 2022. My Mrs has a never ending list of jobs and I need a Saturday skive!

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2020 at 4:19pm
Me too, no one in government is prepared to look beyond next week because the reality may be too depressing. Spanish flu killed 50 million, in successive waves of infection.
Things obviously have moved on, yet human behaviour and immunity haven’t changed that much.
A good time to take up music or art.



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