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Topic: GAME OFF - Saturday
Posted By: Argus9
Subject: GAME OFF - Saturday
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 3:16pm
Is this what they mean by a winter break?



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Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 3:24pm
We're gonna be playing every two days if football resumes. Luckily we've got a enough of a squad to field two teams,rotating them in alternate fixtures. Doubt if the other clubs can match that.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Coleshill Lamb Coleshill Lamb wrote:

We're gonna be playing every two days if football resumes. Luckily we've got a enough of a squad to field two teams,rotating them in alternate fixtures. Doubt if the other clubs can match that.

Virus peak Mid-May. Can’t see any games being played much before June. Major major consideration- we only have contracts like most clubs at this level up to end of expected season with players.


Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 3:49pm
End the season now - Positions in the league on a points per game basis. We are top. Thanks very much


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by Coleshill Lamb Coleshill Lamb wrote:

End the season now - Positions in the league on a points per game basis. We are top. Thanks very much

You have a brilliant brain CL. I will second your motion.



Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 4:50pm
Don’t get it CL. Been no announcement from the League stating we are champions? Did you actually Email League Headquarters with your decision?



Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 6:00pm
It was a suggestion. The league have got to come up with a solution if no more football can be played.A bit like the cricket solution situation when they use some sort of maths to overcome a problem.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 6:10pm
Originally posted by Coleshill Lamb Coleshill Lamb wrote:

It was a suggestion. The league have got to come up with a solution if no more football can be played.A bit like the cricket solution situation when they use some sort of maths to overcome a problem.

Going pear shaped. National, North and South going ahead tomorrow as loads of horse racing. All comes back to poor decision making and self-interest at top of individual organisations. Talking about poor decision making, this is where we came in this week on Tuesday with that postponed match. You can’t trust people to make the correct decision. Sometimes you need strong leadership saying your not holding your particular event. It’s not rocket science!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 6:53pm
Find myself in agreement with Argus in that with a peak due mid May we aren't restarting in a fortnight.

Difficult to see the league finishing and I can see the whole thing ending up in the courts if and when fixtures aren't completed.

This could be a complete disaster. I get the argument about points per game but we've not played the same teams. We've not played Coalville or Stourbridge at all. Would be a big call to promote and especially to relegate teams on an incomplete league table. We've played 70% of our fixtures.

Bizarrely however, if by some occurrence they do go on points per game, the Coalville fiasco could have won us the league. Had we played and lost, our ppg would have dropped below Royston's

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 7:30pm
Assume our league will be driven by how they make the calls above us?



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 7:45pm
If the prem doesn't finish, I think the whole pyramid falls down as relegation and promotion issues could not be settled.

As much as I hate them, villa would have every right to go to court if they were relegated on an incomplete fixture list which as I say is not catered for in any set of PL rules.

That would potentially prevent promotion from the championship so every league from there down would have to abide by whatever the courts found in that case otherwise the leagues wouldn't mathematically add up in terms of participants.

We will all be governed by what happens there. If the season doesn't end and Leeds, Albion etc go up, we'll all go up too. If villa, Norwich et Al win the argument no one will move anywhere.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 12:29pm
Suggestion this morning that all teams in top 2/3/4 (whatever is relevant for respective divisions), go up, no one goes down and the prem just runs with extra team for one season with it working itself back out with extra relegations for 1, maybe 2 seasons.

Of all the ideas I've heard for if season doesn't end, that seems the least bad.

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Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 12:44pm
The only fair option in my opinion is to instigate a status quo for this season. All leagues as they were as the season opened. Start again when circumstances allow in September.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 2:22pm
The only fair option for me is any formula they come up with that puts Tamworth top and we go up. Unfortunately each and every team and supporter will want the same for their own club🤔 


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by etontaxdodger etontaxdodger wrote:

The only fair option in my opinion is to instigate a status quo for this season. All leagues as they were as the season opened. Start again when circumstances allow in September.


I'm not knocking this suggestion but genuinely asking how you would deal with a season ending in October/November. How and when do you start the next one?;

Edit - just reread this - I see - void season. Yes, reasonable suggestion although we'd not want it as Argus says.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 2:59pm
Mind you it could come to “The last man (Team) standing” solution. With no money coming in, and without serious help/intervention action from either the Football League or Government in terms of financial support (which l would be surprised to see happen in a serious way) some teams will fold, leaving the richer clubs to continue. Certainly l can see some clubs releasing shed loads of players initially. This is a strong possibility especially if we don’t get the matches up and running till after the peak virus period, making a possible start date of around Mid-June. 


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 3:11pm
Literally gob-smacked yesterday with the attitude of the National League insisting that there games must go on, against the wishes of many of its clubs. High handed and a complete disregard for players, staff and supporters of the clubs involved, with many l suspect not wishing to attend. Know the Horse Racing establishment have always been up their own arse so not surprised that Cheltenham and other race meetings being held with total disregard to the virus situation and the well being of the attending mass.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 3:57pm
There is absolutely no chance of restarting in mid June. It would make next season completely unviable.

If the 24th March comes and goes without us restarting (and it looks odds on it will) then league will have to come up with an alternative solution. Same goes for the prem as regards 4th April.

As for the racing and national League, the government are to blame if anyone. If they say official advice is you don't have to ban mass gatherings then until they change that advice you can't really blame people for not cancelling mass gatherings. If that advice changes and the national League etc carry on then yes, blame their up their own arse attitude. Until then, the government carry the can.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

There is absolutely no chance of restarting in mid June.

There you are then Pricey. Close down of football commenced with virus no where near peak. Peak hits mid May and the people who understand this more than us say numbers will go down thereafter. May’s out, so June it is, if at all as you say. No idea what’s going to happen but to speculate in the vacuum that we are in, that’s all we can do. If it’s June, season can’t really be completed in full, but another option could be the top teams and the bottom teams have separate play-offs. The higher the team in each having home advantage in one off games. Of course my argument would be we are top not Peterborough Sports on basis of fairness (of course not because we’re 2nd 😂), we have 3 games in hand, so we would have the home advantage in play-off games.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

As for the racing and national League, the government are to blame if anyone..
Absolutely agree Pricey, the Government should have put a blanket ban on all these events. However they didn’t so they left it to individual sports/events to make decision. Majority + made the right decision apart from those up their arseThumbs Up


Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:46pm
Your bias towards Tamworth is understandable Argus, but like most matters of opinion in life, it’s impossible to ignore the other parties positions. We may have 3 games in hand on Peterborough, Iam absolutely certain their lawyers could easily argue that 3 in hand is not the same as 9 points! Equally how can you argue against a team being relegated or entering the playoffs for instance, that is 2 points short, with 1 game in hand for example. Seems the arguments in court could be endless!
As for the government, the “voters” have just elected a party that has deliberately rundown the NHS, over their time in power since 2010.
The Tory party since Thatcher has been stealthily looking for a way to bring in the American health system. As the Americans say “do the maths”.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by etontaxdodger etontaxdodger wrote:

Your bias towards Tamworth is understandable Argus, but like most matters of opinion in life, it’s impossible to ignore the other parties positions..
Haven’t ignored other parties, have said all along they could argue different formulas to suit themselves, as l would expect TFC todo on our behalf. As to your other political crap-chat, this is a football forum mate, nough said.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

As for the racing and national League, the government are to blame if anyone..

Absolutely agree Pricey, the Government should have put a blanket ban on all these events. However they didn’t so they left it to individual sports/events to make decision. Majority + made the right decision apart from those up their arseThumbs Up


Got to disagree there. The national League followed the advice exactly and the clubs that needed to call games off because of specific concerns, did. 11 games off in the national and the north.

It's not a matter of being up their arse or anyone else's. The PL were not calling all their games off till the clubs did. They continued to plan Saturday games after Arsenal v City got called off midweek and were still planning to play other games even after Villa v Chelsea got the hook when Hudson-Odoi tested positive.

We could all stop going to work to minimise the risk but we don't because the advice doesn't say that. It's not being up your arse to correctly follow advice.

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Posted By: etontaxdodger
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:17pm
Argus you are one dumb motherxxxxx. Enough said


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by etontaxdodger etontaxdodger wrote:

Argus you are one dumb motherxxxxx. Enough said
Big smile


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

As for the racing and national League, the government are to blame if anyone..

Absolutely agree Pricey, the Government should have put a blanket ban on all these events. However they didn’t so they left it to individual sports/events to make decision. Majority + made the right decision apart from those up their arseThumbs Up


Got to disagree there. The national League followed the advice exactly and the clubs that needed to call games off because of specific concerns, did. 11 games off in the national and the north.
Blanket postponements throughout Premiership, Championship, 1 and 2, and all games at our level. National gave out advice which allowed games to go on. Not good enough in my eyes. You have a different opinion, so be it.


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:49pm
The point I'm making Argus is the clubs in the PL met and agreed the stoppage themselves. The PL did not impose it on them.

Contrary to what you say, the national League did not insist their teams played. Where concerns were raised, clubs postponed games.

The PL didn't ban games and neither did the national League. Their clubs then took their own decisions.

The government are following medical advice and organisations are following government advice. I don't know better than medical professionals so I'd criticise organisations who failed to heed that advice but no one has here.

As on most topics, we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 9:51pm
Not all games were off at our level either. Several northern prem fixtures took place as normal today too including South Shields beating FC United 5-3

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

The point I'm making Argus is the clubs in the PL met and agreed the stoppage themselves. The PL did not impose it on them.
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Heads in sand time. National League have games on tomorrow. Don’t really care aCensored who makes the decision at what ever level, they have to make the right one and call them off. Am l really missing something here? We have to be in this all together, or? Agree or disagree?


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 7:35pm
Games called off in the National tomorrowThumbs Up


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 7:56pm
They've taken a decision to call it off. Fair play to them.

In fairness to the govt (and yes I do usually believe them to be a vile and clueless sack of sh*te), the scientific advice is if you shut everything down too early, people will get tired of the restrictions, ignore them and cause a surge that the health services can't deal with. That was certainly the theory behind the chief medical officer not banning mass gatherings last week but moving to it later.

I think it was fair enough for Johnson to suggest carrying on with mass gatherings for a week but I can understand why some clubs and some businesses chose to ignore a multi millionaire who has never prioritised the purchase of a comb.

It's down to everyone to try and follow advice and get through it although I think today's announcement for people to avoid restaurants, pubs, clubs and theatres rather than officially close them was cowardly. One way allows you an insurance claim to support your business and it's workers. The other doesn't. Disappointed but not surprised.

From a football point of view, I really hope clubs make it but I fear for the likes of Macclesfield and Southend this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. It will also be a nightmare on top of a nightmare for the clubs battling flood damage.

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Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 1:01am
Officially off till April 3rd was Southern League's official announcement but with another statement coming Tuesday, we can expect that to be a further delay or something more permanent.

Not that football is anywhere near as important as the health of the nation but this does seem a disaster for non league clubs and it becomes increasingly difficult to see how this situation works itself out for the game.

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Posted By: Coleshill Lamb
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 5:48pm
We won't be playing football for some months. 


Posted By: Colbefc1
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 7:27pm
I agree, I doubt football will be back for a long time but agree that peoples health is a lot more important.



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 7:41pm
In a way it would be simplest if the postponements lasted a full twelve months and then we just completed the season on the same dates a year later.

In all seriousness, god only knows what happens.

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Posted By: Colbefc1
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 5:35pm
I doubt I will be down for a game again this year, oh well ce la vie.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by Colbefc1 Colbefc1 wrote:

I doubt I will be down for a game again this year, oh well ce la vie.
Look on the bright side mate, got to be Everton’s longest unbeaten run in ages Thumbs Up


Posted By: Colbefc1
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 7:11pm
Everton's longest unbeaten run in my lifetime actually Big smile and even better it stops the red sh.te winning the Prem for a bit longer ClapClap


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 7:17pm
Serious question Colbefc1. How was the Everton v Tamworth match for you? Share your emotion with the draw, looking to the game and on match day? Dream of Swindon playing TFC mate!



Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 8:26pm
Back then, he saw the draw and fished out a map..."where the is Tamworth?" he thought.

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Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 2:00pm
In 1975 I was at goodison when we played Altringham in the FA Cup when they were by far the better team and we scraped a lucky 1-1 draw.  A couple of years later we played Telford and although we won 3-0 they did not attempt to play football, they just kicked anything that moved.
So although I was happy with the draw I was under no illusion it would be easy and Everton have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot.
I arrived at the ground about 1 pm and went to the Winslow for a pint and was surprised at the amount of Tamworth fans around the ground and in the pub and they were all very friendly and seemed to be enjoying themselves.  Even though I say so myself Evertonians are well known for welcoming away fans, apart from those of certain clubs of course :)
When I got in the ground the Tamworth fans were singing their hearts out and to give them their due they continued to do so all afternoon, the Everton fans were quiet as they usually are when we play lower league opposition, no offence meant, its the same for all so called "bigger clubs", most of the time the atmosphere in Prem grounds is rubbish.
As to the game, Tamworth played superb, Everton got an early goal which calmed the nerves and then a late very dubious penalty.  Tamworth could easily of got a draw or even won the game, they gave it everything they had.  Well done Tamworth.
After the game we were congratulating the Tamworth fans on both their support and their teams display, and we do not do that very often.
Pricey is right, before the draw all I knew about Tamworth was the Tamworth two, I thought it was in Devon or Somerset.
The next day I posted on the Tamworth fans forum to congratulate them.  This was the first time I have ever posted on another clubs forum but I thought everyone connected to Tamworth FC deserved a big pat on the back.
They I arranged to meet Pricey at Goodison as by a strange coincidence his sister Laura is an Evertonian.  Then I went to a Tamworth game against Gateshead and here I am 8 years later still getting to The Lamb as often as possible.
Pricey bought me a Tamworth hat and Henry bought me a scarf and they are the only things with red on them I have EVER worn in my life :)
Was gonna cut half of this out to make it shorter but thought it might be interesting, maybe not :)






Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 2:13pm
That is a very well told tale mate. I have often thought there should be a programme piece on you.

Plenty of people travel from the Midlands to Merseyside for football at a weekend. Very few do it the other way round.

Can't wait to have a cider with you before the game when we get out the other side mate.

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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 3:06pm
Nice one Colbefc2. 


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 4:13pm
Nice posting Col.
Be good to catch up with you on your next visit to the Lamb but don’t forget the Everton Mints 🙂


Posted By: Colbefc2
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 11:21pm
Glad the post is ok, thought it might be a bit long.
Red Blooded I will make sure I have my Everton Mints with me next time I am down.  Last time the shop I get them from was closed and the only other shop in Tamworth that I know sell them only had sugarfree ones. Yuck.
Hope to see you all for a game this year but not holding my breath.
No footie and no pubs....Watched a film called Contagion a while ago and bloody hell, now I am living through it :(
Take care all :)



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