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Topic: Lowestoft
Posted By: Argus9
Subject: Lowestoft
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 5:55pm
Flat flat flat today - Lowestoft clearly wanted it more than we did on the day. Understatement we missed Mr Lait today (like Hitchin and Redditch) and Beswick. Thought looked very lightweight up front obviously not helped by the long ball which we again employed far to much just like last week at Reddich. Looks like the style we adopt with vigor when we ain’t got Lait playing for us. Hopefully Smudge and Andy will learn more from today’s defeat and we will bounce back quickly. Disappointing yes but Smudge record still impressive- in his 10 games as manager we currently sit 3rd in the 10 game form table - no one on here can tell me we would have not bitten hands off for this position



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Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 7:29pm
Flat Flat Flat today on here as well   


Posted By: Hallam999
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 7:31pm
It was very flat Argus
We missed Beswick more than I thought we needed him by my own admission
Lait a massive absentee
Red card ruined it
Ref awful


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 8:09pm
Credit has to be given to Andy and Smudge for 20pts from 10 games but today was awful from start to finish and we thoroughly deserved to lose.

I think we need to look dispassionately at what has happened in the last couple of months. 6 wins in 10 games is good but to give it context, we have played 7 of the current bottom 8 including the all of the bottom at home. I know we beat Stourbridge which was a terrific result after a tightly fought game that may have ended up s draw without anyone complaining too much.

I know some will rant and rave for this view but the progress we have made isn't as big as some would claim and has been to some degree exaggerated by a kind fixture list.

Lait, Gough, Beswick would have helped today but we have had worse injury crises this season and we need to think very carefully about assembling a serious promotion squad for next year and not get blinded by wanting this transformation to be real.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 8:10pm
That should have read including all of the bottom 4 at home

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 8:16pm
Originally posted by Hallam999 Hallam999 wrote:


We missed Beswick more than I thought we needed him by my own admission

Walked away from Redditch last week confused and disappointed- however not by Beswick - like your own comment - Hallam - dawned on me the amount of running this man did - both running back in defence or assists up front - never hides and contributes with both legs and so important the MOUTH - no one shouting on pitch to fellow team mates today


Posted By: Bolehall Youth
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 9:39pm
Have to agree Argus, it now the opportunity to experiment with a few players and see if they can hack it. Including a keeper as Jaz was diabolical again today cost 2 goals could have been 3 but instead caused a sending off. Time to call our reserve keeper back from Gresley and give him the last few games, who knows a star could be born .
And fortune for me is a better player than Frank Spencer in our midfield.

Come on you Lambs


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:



I know some will rant and rave for this view but the progress we have made isn't as big as some would claim and has been to some degree exaggerated by a kind fixture list.

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Ok - 11 games ago we were looking down at a barrel of a relegation gun following employment of our 2 worst managers in history (points per game ratio). We now won’t get relegated following those subsequent 10 games since Smudge took over. If you want to put down to a kind fixture list that’s up to you but for me your either deluded or disfunctional - one thing I’ve learnt from traveling the length and breath of the A14 this season - positions don’t matter a jot in this league - anyone can beat everyone on their day apart from Kettering. Maybe your still missing the God that is AM - that God is dead - Long Live King Smudge ?




Posted By: Hallam999
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 9:54pm
I’m not sure it’s been that kind?
Bedworth and St Neots were poor but I actually thought Lowestoft weren’t bad today
You can only beat who is put in front of you


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2019 at 10:45pm
Argus, I didn't expect you to agree but most would agree that playing 7 of the bottom 8 would be easier than 7 of the top 8. I certainly think it's easier. I have acknowledged 20pts from 10 games deserves credit but I do think some people are guilty of overreacting again. We are doing reasonably well but we still need to improve significantly to challenge for promotion next year.

Positions don't matter a jot? Ok then. I don't know how to even think of replying.



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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: DanTFC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 8:59am
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Argus, I didn't expect you to agree but most would agree that playing 7 of the bottom 8 would be easier than 7 of the top 8. I certainly think it's easier. I have acknowledged 20pts from 10 games deserves credit but I do think some people are guilty of overreacting again. We are doing reasonably well but we still need to improve significantly to challenge for promotion next year.

Positions don't matter a jot? Ok then. I don't know how to even think of replying.

Totally agree Pricey.
It's nice there has been something to smile about in these past few weeks but, for me, there's a hell of a lot of work to do this summer. 
I'd imagine Smudger and Andy have the job in the bag (and deserve it on results) but it's a big task for them to build a squad capable of competing, something even more experienced managers have failed at. 
I would be amazed if Lait and Beswick stayed, Concannon will be gone.
I'd imagine them down the road (Belford and Ginnelly are wily, plenty of contacts) will snaffle some of the better Midland players at this level.
I just hope the board back Smudge and Andy financially or I fear we will find it difficult again. 


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 10:02am
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:



Positions don't matter a jot? Ok then. I don't know how to even think of replying.



I’ll try to make it even simpler for you to understand then Pricey. Since relegation from the Conference Premier under all our managers we have had a tendency to play better and often beat the top and teams higher in league and struggle against teams shall l say below us. Coalville away and Stourbridge home are good recent examples. We have reached a league which contain nothing special teams apart from Kettering and we beat ourselves more than teams beat us. Positions don’t matter a jot - Lowestoft was a case in point yesterday. There you go - can’t make my point any clearer than that


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 10:16am
Originally posted by DanTFC DanTFC wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Argus, I didn't expect you to agree but most would agree that playing 7 of the bottom 8 would be easier than 7 of the top 8. I certainly think it's easier. I have acknowledged 20pts from 10 games deserves credit but I do think some people are guilty of overreacting again. We are doing reasonably well but we still need to improve significantly to challenge for promotion next year.

Positions don't matter a jot? Ok then. I don't know how to even think of replying.


Totally agree Pricey.
It's nice there has been something to smile about in these past few weeks but, for me, there's a hell of a lot of work to do this summer. 
I'd imagine Smudger and Andy have the job in the bag (and deserve it on results) but it's a big task for them to build a squad capable of competing, something even more experienced managers have failed at. 
I would be amazed if Lait and Beswick stayed, Concannon will be gone.
I'd imagine them down the road (Belford and Ginnelly are wily, plenty of contacts) will snaffle some of the better Midland players at this level.
I just hope the board back Smudge and Andy financially or I fear we will find it difficult again. 


Smudge has done well with players that aren’t his own. Often learn more about players in defeat particularly very poor ones. That and a couple of away matches to come - good tests and should have a much better idea on who we want to keep next season if he’s not actually made his mind up already. Haven’t a cat in hells chance in keeping Jack next season. Will have to offer a bucket load of dosh to keep Lait. With highly paid Verma and Waite surely going that will help with our potential financial redistribution in terms of incomeing and retention. Beswick- why wouldn’t he want to stay?. For me there has to be a massive clear out of most of the others. Would keep likes of Clement, Shaw and Fortune. Will see if the more experienced players turn up on our next two visits!


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 10:35am
Argus, I don't need you to make anything simpler for me. We often disagree which is fine and I try to back up my opinion by explaining why I think something.

I think the best teams win the most games and finish highest and the reverse is true of the worst teams. I accept there are anomalies and things like luck and injuries can have an impact on clubs but as a tough rule of thumb it works.

A couple of years back I looked into the "we do better against the top teams" and it turned out not to hold much water. I think it is based on perception as we all cling fondly to great results against top sides but as of yesterday we had won 12 league games (8 against bottom half sides, 4 against top half sides which basically fits the pattern). 5 of those wins had come against the bottom 4 (we doubled Halesowen) so I think it is easier to beat lower placed sides. With time and inclination we could do the stats for several seasons but I would sooner not.

I am sometimes wrong - I pontificated for ages in here pre season about the unfairness of the play off system as I thought we were a top 5 side for certain. It was my opinion and I got it wrong.

You might be about to tell me that the respective single points we got at home to Bedworth and to Kettering and to Alvechurch were equally tricky to obtain as league positions don't matter a jot. If so, that is your opinion and I would wager most people on here would disagree with it.



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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 10:49am
Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Argus, If so, that is your opinion and I would wager most people on here would disagree with it.


Great idea - let the people decide (well the other 5 people who contribute on here) - will have a referendum then but in keeping with the views of people who lose the vote/outcome l will have the right to have have another and another till I’m proved to be in the right


Posted By: DanTFC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Originally posted by DanTFC DanTFC wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Argus, I didn't expect you to agree but most would agree that playing 7 of the bottom 8 would be easier than 7 of the top 8. I certainly think it's easier. I have acknowledged 20pts from 10 games deserves credit but I do think some people are guilty of overreacting again. We are doing reasonably well but we still need to improve significantly to challenge for promotion next year.

Positions don't matter a jot? Ok then. I don't know how to even think of replying.


Totally agree Pricey.
It's nice there has been something to smile about in these past few weeks but, for me, there's a hell of a lot of work to do this summer. 
I'd imagine Smudger and Andy have the job in the bag (and deserve it on results) but it's a big task for them to build a squad capable of competing, something even more experienced managers have failed at. 
I would be amazed if Lait and Beswick stayed, Concannon will be gone.
I'd imagine them down the road (Belford and Ginnelly are wily, plenty of contacts) will snaffle some of the better Midland players at this level.
I just hope the board back Smudge and Andy financially or I fear we will find it difficult again. 


Smudge has done well with players that aren’t his own. Often learn more about players in defeat particularly very poor ones. That and a couple of away matches to come - good tests and should have a much better idea on who we want to keep next season if he’s not actually made his mind up already. Haven’t a cat in hells chance in keeping Jack next season. Will have to offer a bucket load of dosh to keep Lait. With highly paid Verma and Waite surely going that will help with our potential financial redistribution in terms of incomeing and retention. Beswick- why wouldn’t he want to stay?. For me there has to be a massive clear out of most of the others. Would keep likes of Clement, Shaw and Fortune. Will see if the more experienced players turn up on our next two visits!
I honestly don't think he'll want another season on the 4g. 
Fortune will go imo 


Posted By: Red Blooded
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Argus, If so, that is your opinion and I would wager most people on here would disagree with it.


Great idea - let the people decide (well the other 5 people who contribute on here) - will have a referendum then but in keeping with the views of people who lose the vote/outcome l will have the right to have have another and another till I’m proved to be in the right


Argus, I think this last statement of yours maybe should give you a clue to why only five people continue to post on this Forum.


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Red Blooded Red Blooded wrote:

Originally posted by Argus9 Argus9 wrote:

Originally posted by Pricey2 Pricey2 wrote:

Argus, If so, that is your opinion and I would wager most people on here would disagree with it.


Great idea - let the people decide (well the other 5 people who contribute on here) - will have a referendum then but in keeping with the views of people who lose the vote/outcome l will have the right to have have another and another till I’m proved to be in the right


Argus, I think this last statement of yours maybe should give you a clue to why only five people continue to post on this Forum.


not my problem


Posted By: Pricey2
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 4:58pm
However Argus, you are the most recent person to complain about the lack of posts and contributors on here so if it's not your problem, kindly stop moaning about that on a periodic basis.

Roll on the close season for a multitude of reasons.

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The bad news is time flies. The good news is we are the pilots


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 3:32pm
Argus is the backbone of this group,and without him I doubt anything would be commented on here,there's well over 100 members of the Tamworth fans group that write on there forum, doubt that they want to comment on here as well.
Personally I'll be glad to see the back of this season,let's start afresh with some new ideas,Smudger and Andy will keep the job in my opinion,but who knows what Bob Andrews has up his sleeve.


Posted By: The dosthill lamb
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 4:14pm
Certainly if you take out contributions made by Argus on here,it would admittedly be fairly non eventful. However just to point out that although he suggests MF and DG are the 2 worst managers in history per points ratio,both you and I Bert go far enough back to remember the dire old days in the Northern Premier League,and worse still,the one season in the Southern League when we won 2 games all season! With regards to Smudger,he and his manic sidekick have done better than i certainly expected, as i believed that as things were,we were heading for a second successive relegation,so fair play for that. Having said that unlike some who as soon as we had won a couple of games were calling for them to be given long term contracts, i personally think that although they have certainly injected some belief and confidence in certain players,which had otherwise been missing under MF and DG i would be concerned as to what players they are able to bring in next season in order to make us title contenders. I think Bob Andrews and Co should be having these discussions with them now and not at the end of the season before making their decision.I'm not suggesting they havent got contacts, rather the quality of player they may be able to attract.Certainly on Saturday i saw a few players who i believe would struggle to find a game with an ordinary Midland Combination side (Dwyer, James, Gordon, Spencer) Yet again our assistant manager got involved in backchat with the Lowestoft winger. He needs to learn to keep it shut at times otherwise there will be yet more instances like the Stourbridge fiasco. We lost the game on saturday,not because of a sending off,but because without Lait, Beswick in particular our squad is nowhere near good enough to be challenging.Given that the assistant manager believes we have the best goalkeeper and defence and 2 strikers(Waite and Lait) in the league,i cant say that i agree with his beliefs


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 5:00pm
Jas up to Saturday’s game had been solid and dependable after several early season howlers that cost us points. Not sure he’s the best in league. Cost us first goal on Saturday and his cock up lead to the penalty and subsequent sending off. Not sure l would keep any of our defence for next season. Waite for me is not fit for purpose. Yes he’s puts a shift in but can’t finish from either close in or one on ones. Heaven forbid how many points he’s cost us this season but I’m afraid for me he never fails in disappointing game after game after game. Worrying indeed if anyone in our management really thinks he’s actually the best in the league. Hope their trying to build up his confidence hence why comment was made. If we are really going on a promotion push next season it will be made much tougher with Waite around .


Posted By: Hallam999
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by The dosthill lamb The dosthill lamb wrote:

Certainly if you take out contributions made by Argus on here,it would admittedly be fairly non eventful. However just to point out that although he suggests MF and DG are the 2 worst managers in history per points ratio,both you and I Bert go far enough back to remember the dire old days in the Northern Premier League,and worse still,the one season in the Southern League when we won 2 games all season! With regards to Smudger,he and his manic sidekick have done better than i certainly expected, as i believed that as things were,we were heading for a second successive relegation,so fair play for that. Having said that unlike some who as soon as we had won a couple of games were calling for them to be given long term contracts, i personally think that although they have certainly injected some belief and confidence in certain players,which had otherwise been missing under MF and DG i would be concerned as to what players they are able to bring in next season in order to make us title contenders. I think Bob Andrews and Co should be having these discussions with them now and not at the end of the season before making their decision.I'm not suggesting they havent got contacts, rather the quality of player they may be able to attract.Certainly on Saturday i saw a few players who i believe would struggle to find a game with an ordinary Midland Combination side (Dwyer, James, Gordon, Spencer) Yet again our assistant manager got involved in backchat with the Lowestoft winger. He needs to learn to keep it shut at times otherwise there will be yet more instances like the Stourbridge fiasco. We lost the game on saturday,not because of a sending off,but because without Lait, Beswick in particular our squad is nowhere near good enough to be challenging.Given that the assistant manager believes we have the best goalkeeper and defence and 2 strikers(Waite and Lait) in the league,i cant say that i agree with his beliefs



I hope/think they know the limitations- particularly defensively
When Kettle gave the ball away (not for the first time) smudger has his head in his hands.
Kettle is good at getting rid, not playing the ball.
A couple of times he looked down and played it to Singh without checking where the strikers were
Looks much better alongside Magunda, who we do need to keep


Posted By: Argus9
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 11:17pm
Originally posted by The dosthill lamb The dosthill lamb wrote:

Yet again our assistant manager got involved in backchat with the Lowestoft winger. He needs to learn to keep it shut at times otherwise there will be yet more instances like the Stourbridge fiasco.


The Smudge and Andy Show has clearly saved us from a possible 3rd relegation in what 5 years? - who knows what works behind the scenes and on the pitch in terms of duo bouncing of each other and the players - it’s todate worked and thank god for that. However have to agree with many on here there’s got to be a diminishing return line in Andy continually shouting at his/our players during match like a raving banshee for the whole of the game- salient points shouted yes but that’s not what we’re getting. The extra dimension of winding up opposition players - it seems mostly wingers l assume because they are near to him is absolutely juvenile. Someone close to him or the club really needs to sit down with him and explain difference between the obvious desire and emotion on the day we all feel as fans and his position. Needs to channel everything into the bigger football picture on the day me thinks but hey what do l know


Posted By: Highrise bert
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 1:01pm
Andys heart and soul is in this push for a decent top ten finish this season. People tell me that he is the same at training sessions,shouting and bawling at players,I stand quite close to him on match days as does the Dosthill lamb,and some of his actions and language would get him an instant ban in an higher division,he winds the opposition up somewhat terrible,he tells them how sh*te they are and takes the piss something terrible.He definitely needs to calm it a bit or else he'll be spending time at the dentists.


Posted By: I.O.M.Lamb
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2019 at 4:57pm
I love Andy's enthusiasm but he does need to calm down a bit. Leave the rants at the opposition and the bad mouthing to the Sunday league pub teams where it belongs and concentrate on being an excellent coach, which he is.



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